Discussion:
Freesat Settings - UK
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Dystopia
2009-12-05 21:37:35 UTC
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I have a satellite top box. It has pre-set settings for some
satellites but not for Freesat there is provision, however, to set-up
a "New Satellite" which I want to dedicate to the Freesat
transmissions but do not know what the settings are.

It asks for parameters like LNB Type which I know is Universal but
then it needs DiSEqG, TP Frequency, Symbol Rate and more. I have put
the set-up screen shots at:

http://satellite.webhop.org

(sorry that the first shot is a bit fuzzy)

Can anyone tell me what the settings are for Freesat please?
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Dystopia
Char Jackson
2009-12-05 23:54:52 UTC
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Post by Dystopia
I have a satellite top box. It has pre-set settings for some
satellites but not for Freesat there is provision, however, to set-up
a "New Satellite" which I want to dedicate to the Freesat
transmissions but do not know what the settings are.
It asks for parameters like LNB Type which I know is Universal but
then it needs DiSEqG, TP Frequency, Symbol Rate and more. I have put
http://satellite.webhop.org
(sorry that the first shot is a bit fuzzy)
Can anyone tell me what the settings are for Freesat please?
Try here: http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html
hobby fta
2010-05-02 13:49:24 UTC
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The sat in a suitcase kit is usually the 12V Comag which has an excellent
blind scan just trll it the type of LNB aim at the bird and do Auto scan
FTA

Java Jive
2009-12-06 03:57:18 UTC
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Post by Dystopia
I have a satellite top box. It has pre-set settings for some
satellites but not for Freesat
What is the history of the dish? Is this something you have found on
your wall left by a previous occupant of the dwelling, or something
you have (had) installed yourself? The reason I ask is that if it's a
legacy from a previous occupant, a lot may depend on how old it is ...

If the dish appears more or less round (though it'll be actually
slightly taller than wide), with the LNB below the mid-point of the
dish, then that is a conventional offset dish, and particularly one of
a type not usually used by Sky since they moved from analogue
transmissions on 19.2E to digital on 28.2E. Hence the dish may be
actually be pointing at 19.2E! However, if the dish is noticeably
wider than tall, also with the LNB below its mid-point, then that is a
type of offset dish known as a 'minidish', and is more likely to be
pointing at 28.2E.

If you are actually managing to tune in a transponder, you can, as
suggested, check the details of the channels found against the two
satellites' Lyngsat details, and work out which one it's pointed at
that way:
http://www.lyngsat.com/astra19.html
http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html

If you are in doubt about which satellite the dish is aligned to, you
can check whether it is actually pointing at the correct satellite
using my satellite dish alignment calculator, and if necessary use the
calculator to realign on 28.2E. Although accuracy is required, this
should be perfectly possible, though sometimes the adjusting bolts can
become seized with rust - some penetrating fluid or WD40 left on
them overnight may help with that. The process of setting up a
satellite dish is described on my site:
http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/SatelliteTV/SatelliteTV.html

If, once you are happy about the alignment, you still can't even tune
a transponder, then things are more difficult.

Many satellite STBs keep their list of satellites in a file called
satellites.xml. If you can find out how to update the file (serial or
USB connection to PC?), you can create an up to date one here:
http://satellites-xml.eu
Post by Dystopia
there is provision, however, to set-up
a "New Satellite" which I want to dedicate to the Freesat
transmissions but do not know what the settings are.
It asks for parameters like LNB Type which I know is Universal but
then it needs DiSEqG, TP Frequency, Symbol Rate and more. I have put
Alternatively, as you suggest, you should be able to scan for
transponders, to do which you may indeed have to put in some
preliminary details from the Lyngsat page. IIRC (but my recollection
is admittedly vague because my current STB of several years' standing
uses a satellites.xml file), on some STBs you may be able just to
enter the details of one 'default' transponder and the others will be
found by the STB scanning ONITs (Other Network Information Tables)
and/or BATs (Bouquet Allocation Tables).

HTHs
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Dystopia
2009-12-06 11:15:26 UTC
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Thanks for the help.

The dish is mounted on a campervan and I have a 63cm off-set dish so
that I can get a signal in the north of Scotland. I had the receiver
from Maplin's about 18 months ago. It was part of a kit contained in a
suitcase but the dish was too small.

I can receive a picture OK but they a foreign programmes. I was
watching a news item, in Russian, about the tragedy of the fire in the
night-club yesterday.

As I said in my previous posting there are pre-sets to various
satellite's, including the ones at 19.2E and 28.2E but a scan does not
find the Freesat programmes. It did at one time when I selected the
'New Satellite' option but I think the settings on the set-up screens
that I have displayed at http://satellite.webhop.org were accidentally
changed.

Dtstopia.
Post by Java Jive
Post by Dystopia
I have a satellite top box. It has pre-set settings for some
satellites but not for Freesat
What is the history of the dish? Is this something you have found on
your wall left by a previous occupant of the dwelling, or something
you have (had) installed yourself? The reason I ask is that if it's a
legacy from a previous occupant, a lot may depend on how old it is ...
If the dish appears more or less round (though it'll be actually
slightly taller than wide), with the LNB below the mid-point of the
dish, then that is a conventional offset dish, and particularly one of
a type not usually used by Sky since they moved from analogue
transmissions on 19.2E to digital on 28.2E. Hence the dish may be
actually be pointing at 19.2E! However, if the dish is noticeably
wider than tall, also with the LNB below its mid-point, then that is a
type of offset dish known as a 'minidish', and is more likely to be
pointing at 28.2E.
If you are actually managing to tune in a transponder, you can, as
suggested, check the details of the channels found against the two
satellites' Lyngsat details, and work out which one it's pointed at
http://www.lyngsat.com/astra19.html
http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html
If you are in doubt about which satellite the dish is aligned to, you
can check whether it is actually pointing at the correct satellite
using my satellite dish alignment calculator, and if necessary use the
calculator to realign on 28.2E. Although accuracy is required, this
should be perfectly possible, though sometimes the adjusting bolts can
become seized with rust - some penetrating fluid or WD40 left on
them overnight may help with that. The process of setting up a
http://www.macfh.co.uk/JavaJive/AudioVisualTV/SatelliteTV/SatelliteTV.html
If, once you are happy about the alignment, you still can't even tune
a transponder, then things are more difficult.
Many satellite STBs keep their list of satellites in a file called
satellites.xml. If you can find out how to update the file (serial or
http://satellites-xml.eu
Post by Dystopia
there is provision, however, to set-up
a "New Satellite" which I want to dedicate to the Freesat
transmissions but do not know what the settings are.
It asks for parameters like LNB Type which I know is Universal but
then it needs DiSEqG, TP Frequency, Symbol Rate and more. I have put
Alternatively, as you suggest, you should be able to scan for
transponders, to do which you may indeed have to put in some
preliminary details from the Lyngsat page. IIRC (but my recollection
is admittedly vague because my current STB of several years' standing
uses a satellites.xml file), on some STBs you may be able just to
enter the details of one 'default' transponder and the others will be
found by the STB scanning ONITs (Other Network Information Tables)
and/or BATs (Bouquet Allocation Tables).
HTHs
Java Jive
2009-12-06 13:19:27 UTC
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It sounds to me as though you may have an alignment problem. You need
to be absolutely certain that you really are accurately aligned on the
correct satellite before doing anything at all, let alone anything
potentially irretrievable, to the STB.

Firstly, geo-stationary satellites used for broadcasting to the public
orbit only 2-3 degrees apart. Hence the most common fault when
setting up a dish is to 'find' a neighbouring satellite instead of the
one intended.

I suggest that you check all the parameters of the channels that you
can receive against the known channels on 28.2E, as determined from
the Lyngsat page. For example, the one you mention may be Russia
Today, although that was broadcasting in English when I checked just
now. Also, the same channels often broadcast on different sats, so
the presence or absence of a particular channel may not be enough -
it is more the combination of channels present, and their being on the
expected frequencies, symbol rates, and other known characteristics,
that convinces. If you are satisfied that the ones you can see are
indeed from 28.2E rather than a neighbour, then that at least narrows
down the possibilities.

The next point is that what is commonly called a 'satellite' is often
in reality a 'cluster' of several, and this is the case with Eurobird
1/Astra 2A/B/D. The individual satellites in a cluster must orbit
close enough together to be received as one from Earth, but,
obviously, far enough apart to avoid danger of eclipsing each other at
best or colliding at worst. Thus Eurobird 1 is nominally at 28.5E,
but the rest of the cluster, Astra 2A/B/D, nominally at 28.2E, though
of course they cannot all be in the same place either.

Hence it is possible that if dish alignment is almost there but not
quite, you may only be picking up some of the sats in the cluster, but
not all. Again, you may be able to work this out from the combination
of channels that you are receiving. Russia today is on Eurobird 1, so
perhaps the dish is pointing a little east of whither is needs to
point? In that case, you may find that further adjustment of the dish
will yield the missing channels.

I suggest that you thoroughly check out the above first, before
mucking about with the STB.

If however, you're absolutely convinced about the alignment, you
should try entering the details of the first transponder on Astra 2D,
again as listed by Lyngsat, and see what you can find with a manual
scan. Failing that, check out Maplin and the STB manufacturer's
websites for further advice and technical support.
Post by Dystopia
The dish is mounted on a campervan and I have a 63cm off-set dish so
that I can get a signal in the north of Scotland. I had the receiver
from Maplin's about 18 months ago. It was part of a kit contained in a
suitcase but the dish was too small.
I can receive a picture OK but they a foreign programmes. I was
watching a news item, in Russian, about the tragedy of the fire in the
night-club yesterday.
As I said in my previous posting there are pre-sets to various
satellite's, including the ones at 19.2E and 28.2E but a scan does not
find the Freesat programmes. It did at one time when I selected the
'New Satellite' option but I think the settings on the set-up screens
that I have displayed at http://satellite.webhop.org were accidentally
changed.
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Richard Fleet
2009-12-06 10:52:04 UTC
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Post by Dystopia
I have a satellite top box. It has pre-set settings for some
satellites but not for Freesat there is provision, however, to set-up
a "New Satellite" which I want to dedicate to the Freesat
transmissions but do not know what the settings are.
It asks for parameters like LNB Type which I know is Universal but
then it needs DiSEqG, TP Frequency, Symbol Rate and more. I have put
http://satellite.webhop.org
(sorry that the first shot is a bit fuzzy)
Can anyone tell me what the settings are for Freesat please?
You say nothing about your "satellite top box" most satellite receivers
have an auto scan function to find the available channels many also have
a signal strength indicator.
What receiver do you have ?

RGF
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2010-01-15 01:50:22 UTC
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Post by Dystopia
I have a satellite top box. It has pre-set settings for some
satellites but not for Freesat there is provision, however, to set-up
a "New Satellite" which I want to dedicate to the Freesat
transmissions but do not know what the settings are.
It asks for parameters like LNB Type which I know is Universal but
then it needs DiSEqG, TP Frequency, Symbol Rate and more. I have put
http://satellite.webhop.org
(sorry that the first shot is a bit fuzzy)
Can anyone tell me what the settings are for Freesat please?
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Dystopia
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